Field and Form – the Grail quest?

The archetypal feminine and masculine in energy and information fields

A trail of conversations with Brenda Dunne, who managed the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research lab, has lead to these thoughts I want to share.

It started in our dialogue on Humanity Rising where Brenda shared a very interesting finding. Over the 28 years of research that they did into how people can effect otherwise random events using their intention, they discovered that men tended to get better results in terms of the direction they wanted something to move, whereas women tended to get better results in terms of the size of the change that they created. Men were more consistent in achieving the desired outcome of their intention but the amplitude of their results wasn’t particularly high. Women got higher amplitude and created greater deviance from randomness, but they were less consistent in moving the randomness in the direction they wanted.

I found this fascinating and felt at that moment that there was something important to dig deeper into. It reminded me of one of the core concepts in the ECOintention energetic work that I practice. We talk about two essential elements combining in the process of manifestation – attention and intention. Intention is what sends the information to the field, and attention is what amplifies the probability of it manifesting. The information sent by our intention is more a mind activity. The attention energy is more from the heart. Information, intention and the mind have more directionality to them and in that sense reflect more the archetypical masculine. Attention, energy and the heart are more sensation-based and reflect more the archetypal feminine.

Connecting this to Brenda’s observations would suggest that men were better at the archetypically masculine activity of sending information with clear intention from the mind, whereas women were generally better at the archetypically feminine activity of giving attention and energy from the heart. There would of course be exceptions, as the archetypal masculine and feminine are present in both men and women, and some men might have stronger feminine energy and some women might have stronger masculine energy. However the data seemed to suggest a logical correlation.

The conversation continued some months later over a rather large English breakfast in Skipton (UK) as we prepared for the Science and Consciousness event to be held at Broughton Sanctuary. Jeff Dunne, Brenda’s son, and Wolfhardt Janu, my partner in all things Wyrd, were both with us. Brenda and Jeff were having an exchange about the use of language to describe the phenomena and the potential sensitivities around it, when my mind drifted to this question of the archetypal feminine and masculine. I noticed a seeming contradiction in my understanding of the archetypal feminine, which was that on the one hand the feminine is about receptivity and sensitivity, and yet on the other hand here we had the feminine amplifying something. I mentioned this, and as is often the case, no sooner had I mentioned it than I got an image. It was an image of the sperm and the womb. Oblivious to our context in an English breakfast cafe, that image started to explore itself in our conversation. The womb is both a receptacle in that it receives the sperm, and at the same time it is an amplifier, as it creates the caring conditions for the sperm to grow into the baby. There we had an example of the archetypal feminine being both an all-embracing receiver, an energy-giver and an amplifier, meeting the archetypal masculine as the purpose- and direction-driven in-formational intention, to create life. Nice!

A few days later at a meal during the event, the inquiry continued to deepen around the nature of fields and the relationship between energy, information and the results that we were seeing through the Random Event Generators. The conclusion that crystallised in my mind was that the field itself is related to the archetypal feminine. It is the potential receptacle for information, which it amplifies. The more coherent the field, the greater the probability of a certain informational intention manifesting in the relative world. The FieldREG software that registers relative order in otherwise random data during collective events or at particular places, is I believe feeding back the relative order of the field. That field is influenced by the intensity of the heart energy, often felt as emotions, in a group.

When discussing this later with Wolf, he used the words “carrier field” to describe it – just as you have a field which carries the digital data to our wirelss devices. The field carries the information. The quality of the field is enhanced by attention. The quality of the information is enhanced by the clarity of the intention.

Jude Currivan once said to me, when I asked her to explain the difference between energy and information, that “energy is information in motion”. The energy waves of the field carry the information. With the Reflector software for the REG where you try to make a line go up or down a screen, you need to be able to combine an open and flowing heart energy with a clear intention. That is why we are most effective when we treat is as play, stay curious, unattached to the outcome, with a little smile on our faces. Most teachings around intention and manifestation suggest that once you have formed your intention, you let it go and then feel gratitude for it having manifested, as if it were already that way in the present. The heart connection has been shown to be critical for effective intention work. That’s what’s make it tricky – and fun! On the one hand you have a clear intention related to a desire for the future, and on the other hand you are more likely to achieve it the less attached your are to it! Nail in the coffin of the ego!

Since writing the first version of this article, someone pointed out that Jesus refers to God as Abba/Imma, Abba being the Father and Imma being the Mother. The polarity exists right at the foundation. A contributor to Quora describes Abba/Imma in this way:

“ABBA is a nickname for the sephirah of Chochmah, wisdom, while IMMA is a nickname for the sephirah of Binah, understanding. The explanation given is that Chochmah is like a flash of insight, like the seminal drop that is contributed by the father. Binah, understanding, takes this seminal drop of insight of Chochmah and develops it into details, examples, and ramifications, much as the mother receives the drop of semen and develops it into a child.”

Understanding field and form in this way explains why a practice like ECOintention seems to work. The focus is on creating a coherent energy field for the entity you are working with, which means that it is far more likely to be able to receive, feed and amplify the information contained in the intentions of the stewards of the entity. In ECOintention, the ECOintention Practitioner is checking and enhancing the energetic qualities of the field of the project. The only thing the stewards (the person or persons ultimately accountable for the entity) really have to do is to work consciously with a set of affirmations, which is what the ECOintention coach helps them with. The affirmations are based on a set of goals that are defined with the stewards at the start of the process, identifying what they want to achieve with their entity in the coming year. That provides the information that can be amplified in the field that is increasing in its coherence throughout the balancing process – ultimately increasing the probability that the stewards’ goals will be realised. Based on all the research for each of the hundreds of ECOintention projects run, this is generally the outcome.

At the individual level, the more we soften and relax, the more intuitive insight we are likely to receive, and the longer we hold that insight with curiosity, suspending judgement and analysis, the more it is likely to reveal and unpack itself, showing us the natural next step. Archetypally feminine heart-based attention increases coherence in the receiving and amplifying womb-like field which is then better able to nurture and grow the information held in our intentions, until it is ready to be born into our 3D relative world. I guess that’s just how life happens!

PS Maybe that’s what the Grail is all about – the receptacle that can take any intention and turn in into form…
PPS In one of our dialogues it was also pointed out that the feminine also has directional archetypes and the masculine has holding archetypes (like the masculine being the banks of the river and the feminine being the water that flows between them). As ever our concepts and language can get us in a muddle but hopefully the above is useful in some way. Feel free to add any further clarification you feel you might have in the comments below.

I believe…

I believe in making explicit what I believe and what I don’t believe. It helps me to clarify things for myself and allows others to know where they stand with me. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me on everything but at least we know where we are. So here’s a list of “I believe…” statements (and the occasional “I don’t believe…”) that I expect will continue to evolve over time.

The Nature of Life

  • I believe that the general directionality of life in our universe is towards increasing differentiation and increasing interconnectedness. As more parts are differentiated, refined and recognised so we can celebrate their uniqueness and their diversity, so more relationships spring up between the increasing number of unique parts. That is why increasing differentiation and increasing interconnectedness go hand in hand.
  • I believe that our models of evolution are too linear and don’t reflect the more organic nature of life. I believe a volutionary map of life is more adequate as it connects past and future and explains how the informational nature of reality manifests as physical form. I believe our e-volutionary models have a fragmented worldview of progress at their core that keeps us out of the present moment.
  • I believe that linear time is a relatively recent way of us understanding our reality and due to the fragmentation split it is now preventing us from healing ourselves and connecting to the rest of life around us. I believe we need to remember how to be in the present and from that place to sense what is wanting to emerge as the next step, then take that step and sense again – and repeat.

Information and Energy

  • I believe that life is one unified and interconnected reality composed of different relative densities of information.
  • I believe that what we take to be the normal reality of matter is a particularly dense form of information creating by standing waves of energy that carry that information. I believe that our collective belief systems in the present and from the past hold that structured information in place as form.
  • I believe that the information spectrum extends out beyond the material world we see around us to more subtle fields that act more like waves than what we define as particles (which I believe are actually just standing waves fixed in a certain pattern by observation).
  • I believe that everything with a name and a boundary has subtle information fields extending beyond its material form that in-form its material manifestation.
  • I believe that we can consciously interact with the subtle energetic information fields of everything with a name and a boundary. I believe that in that interaction we can increase the probability of an entity fulfilling its purpose in a way that is of service to all life.


  • I believe that at that core people are good, in the sense that they desire to make a positive contribution to life and thrive in healthy relationships with others.
  • I believe that “badness” or destructive behaviour stems from individual and collective traumas that have damaged our wholeness and access to the natural intelligence that guides us in our thriving and helping others to thrive.
  • I believe it is possible for everyone to heal traumas and return to a life of wholeness.
  • I believe that in order to take a next step on our individual and collective journeys we need to face and transform the blocked energies related to traumas of the past. I believe those blocked energies are precisely the energies we need to take that next step.

The Human Journey on Earth

  • I believe humanity is an expression of life on Earth attempting to become aware of ourself.
  • I believe life’s experiment in self-awareness that is humanity is at a critical juncture.
  • I believe our current challenges go back to a moment in our journey when we moved from Hunter-Gatherers with instinctive knowing and a direct experience of interconnectedness, to having a sense of separate self (ego) – an amazing step of life in itself! I believe during that emergence that instead of expanding our consciousness and embracing the instinctive interconnectedness of the past, we expanded and excluded it. I believe that separation is a trauma that is at the core of our current challenges – separating us from the Earth, the feminine, the body, each other and ultimately who we are.
  • I believe that in order to successfully transition through this current phase we need to heal our split with the rest of life around us. I believe that it is only when we do that that we will get access to the natural intelligence and subtle informational realms that we need to be able to evolve to the next phase in life’s conscious journey on Earth.
  • I believe that the next phase in our journey involves an intuitive knowing that comes from a conscious connection into the unified field of life from which we will be guided to do what needs to be done, from a place of complementary freedom and relationship. I believe we could move very swiftly and effectively to transcend our current challenges once we are in that place.

Conspiracies and Alternatives

  • I do not believe that there is a conscious “dark conspiracy” run by a small number of people to try and control the world and subjugate humanity. I believe there is an economic and governance system that drives wealth to the minority and creates division amongst people and all life, as a reflection of the fragmented nature of our consciousness.
  • I believe that our best strategy is to build an alternative society that makes the old one obsolete. I believe that if we do that from a place of wholeness then the old system will have little grip on it. I believe we need to be grateful for the problems that the old system solved, honour it for that and then bury it will due ritual. I believe to be able to do that, those working on the new system need to get it to a place of enough maturity to be able to take over the helm, so that the old system can let go. I believe that we have only ourselves to blame if we do not succeed as quickly as we would like.


  • I believe that we need to look after ourselves physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually in order to be of greatest service to life.
  • I believe that our current mainstream systems of healthcare in industrialised countries are based in a worldview of fragmentation and generally do not help us to look after and heal/whole ourselves.
  • I believe there are cultures and practices of healthcare that do assume wholeness and are better at helping people to live healthy and purposeful lives.
  • I believe that interventions from industrialised healthcare can be useful under certain conditions and that “Western” science has brought us great progress in certain domains.
  • I believe that we would be far more effective at preventing and combatting disease and pandemics if we looked after ourselves and the rest of life on Earth from a place of interconnectedness.
  • I believe that our current industrialised lifestyles can require interventions such as vaccines to prevent greater unnecessary death and suffering.


  • I believe that our current industrialised economic system is fuelling all our current crises (social, health, ecological, psycho-spiritual) due to its foundations in a fragmented worldview and non- or under-valuation of all life on Earth.
  • I believe we should create alternative parallel economic systems locally, as well as regionally and globally that would support the thriving of all life on Earth.


  • I believe our industrialised education systems suffocate the life-force and destroy the creativity in our children. I believe a fragmented worldview underlies industrialised education which leads it to emphasise the cognitive rational intelligence and ignore the other multiple intelligences that make us whole. I believe that these education systems are radically inadequate for the challenges of our times and need to change urgently if we are to successfully navigate this transition.
  • I believe that we need to create new forms of learning that honour the whole person, are grounded in a worldview and experience of interconnectedness and are interwoven with us finding ways to express our purpose throughout our lives.


  • I believe the ecological balance of Earth is spinning out of balance which is creating the extremes in our weather conditions. I believe that unless something fundamental changes we will see ecological and human devastation at a scale we find hard to imagine and a pace we are not prepared for.
  • I believe the only way to prevent this is for us to remember deep down that we are Earth and learn again how to communicate with the non-human world so that they can feel us again, trust us and we may co-create a future in which all life can thrive.
  • I believe life on Earth is looking to restore a healthy dynamic balance in the ecosystem and should the human life-form fail to adapt quickly enough then it will perish along with many other forms of life on Earth until a new dynamic balance is established.
  • I believe that life would then look for another way to express its ability to become self-aware.


  • I believe our public governmental systems are far too bureaucratic and slow to respond quickly enough to the current challenges. I believe the industrialised democratic system is flawed and not designed to enable the best solutions to emerge and be implemented swiftly.
  • I believe our corporate business governance systems are too tied into an economic and finance system rooted in fragmentation to be able to prioritise what really needs to be done.
  • I believe there is an alternative and I have an article brewing on that!

ETs, Atlantis and Crop Circles

  • I believe there are very likely to be other forms of life out there in this massive universe of ours and that they may have visited us in the past and may even be with us now. I believe they probably exist in a different bandwidth which makes it hard for us to see and communicate with them.
  • I believe there may have been previous civilisations on Earth that were technologically and spiritually more advanced than ours. I believe they failed to learn how to handle the power that they gained access to and perished.
  • I believe that crop circles are created in an interaction between the physical, electromagnetic and informational dynamics of Earth and human consciousness.

Magic at Work

This dialogue explores the application of modern-day “magic”, or work with information and energy fields, to organisational contexts. WIth Peter Merry, Calen Rayne, Jim Hickman and Jim Garrison on a Ubiquity Humanity Rising session.

What is actually meant by the invisible realms? What do the wisdom traditions have to tell us about that? How can we work with this dimension of reality to accelerate our positive impact on the world at this time? Jim Hickman shares some thoughts on how the quantum realm and neuroscience impacts and is impacted by the invisible realms. Peter Merry draws on his book Leading from the Field that describes a set of principles that enable us to keep the energetic architecture of our homes, communities, organizations and nature aligned and coherent. Calen Rayne talks about his shamanic experience of working with the energetics of the people in organisations and how to find the best fit. All of them work with energetic practices to support the development of Ubiquity University and will share some of those experiences. We explore how what was often called magic in the past is actually a very real part of our present and critical to successfully navigating the current transition.

Time: Exploring and Transcending Our Experience of Time as Linear

Linear time is a relatively recent phenomenon of the human experience. It is only a few thousand years old in the context of our three million year journey. Yet experiencing our world through the lenses of linear time – with a past, present and future – deeply determines how we relate to life. How much of our lives do we spend thinking about the past or future, as compared to being in the present? To what extent are our relationships to others determined by our past experience of them or future desires for them? J. Krishnamurti felt this was core to people’s suffering and the pain we inflict on the world around us. This Merry Musing explores Krishnamurti’s view as well other perspectives on time, in the context of our current experiences and condition.

To access a module on this topic with extra learning resources and/or get academic credits via Ubiquity University please click here.

To see the whole series of Merry Musings, click here.

Crop Circles – how they appear and what they show us

This talk seems to have taken off on YouTube! The circles have a mysterious attractive power. It was amazing to discover the link between the circle formation process and fundamental volutionary manifestation processes of life while I was preparing the talk.

Crop Circles are one of the most mysterious and disputed phenomena on the planet. Theories abound as to how they are created. We do know that people often have powerful, if diverse, experiences in and around crop circles. We also know that human-made formations can easily be distinguished from non-human formations. The recent COVID formation created a stir due to the information it seemed to hold about the nature of the virus and how we might treat it successfully.

This Merry Musing dives into the history and theories of crop formations, and explores how they might be relevant to us today. We also discover a surprising connection to Volution Theory and the patterns of manifestation on Earth. This talk is part of the Merry Musings series hosted by Ubiquity University. For the full module with extra resources click here. See also this article on the geomancy of Chartres which is referred to in this video.

The 3 2 1 of Changing the World

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Over the last few months some ideas have been crystallising for me around the implications of what I am learning about information and energy for the way we think about engaging the great ecological and social challenges before us.

I spent many years as an activist, from being on the front lines of anti-road protests to engaging in green politics and bringing together multiple stakeholders to solve problems related to climate change. Yet something doesn’t feel quite right now about those approaches. As I watch the activities of Extinction Rebellion, see the passion around CoP 26 and notice the urgency of the UN’s climate “Code Red”, I feel somehow distant from it. Not that long ago I would have been highly engaged in the increasing campaigning and action to influence our leaders and create our own solutions.

So what happened? Have I just gotten older and resigned myself to humanity’s doom? No. Something else has emerged – a growing awareness of the interconnectedness of it all, a real embodied feeling of how everything is organising itself in fundamental relationship. Life on Earth is trying to work out if it is possible to continue this experiment in self-awareness that is the human being.

The fundamental issue at the heart of our current condition is I believe a deep split at the core of our individual and collective being, that I have written and spoken much about with The Pain and the Promise. This split has created a way of seeing and acting in the world that is based on separation – looking out at our world and seeing lots of separate objects. Through the split, we lost our awareness of the fabric of relationship between every thing.

This way of perceiving and interacting with the world is so pervasive that most of us are not even aware of it. It’s just how we live life. Yet anything that we create from that place will be created from a context of separation and is likely to simply amplify the core of the problem we are facing. Apparent solutions to our environmental and social challenges, if they come out of minds that see separation, are just going to make things worse.

The fear that fuels much of the activism and urgency around climate change is urging us to speed up, quickly come up with solutions, which only increases the likelihood that the solutions we create will come from contraction. Rather than focusing on the “what” of solutions, we need to focus on the “how” of coming up with the solutions. If we come up with solutions from an experience of separation, we will just create more mess. We need to learn what it really means to come up with responses from a place of wholeness.

For many years, I would probably have said in response to this that of course I understand that everything is connected and that we need to take as much of it into account as possible as we create our solutions. The thing is that the starting point of my understanding and creation process was my rational mind – and the rational cognitive intelligence divides things up into parts, by definition. That is its great strength – analysing differences. Not only is it based in separation in terms of space, it is rooted in the past in terms of time. The cognitive mind can only come up with solutions by analysing what it already knows – by definition information that has come from the past! Yet what we need are solutions from the future.

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The dominance of the rational mind in industrialised culture permeates our language, and the way we name things determines our relationship to them. The best example is the use of the first, second and third person in our pronouns – I, you/we, and it. Embedded in this language structure is the belief that there is an objective “It” reality that is independent to the I or We. Our modern science has long proven that that is not the case – as observer we influence the reality around us. Yet we have not yet really taken on the implications of that reality.

Something I discovered recently is that the way I relate to pain or discomfort in my body determines its intensity or healing (return to wholeness). If I go “Ow, what’s that? It’s a horrible feeling and I want it to go away” then I am using the third person objective “It” to describe it. The use of that energy to describe something fixes it in its current state. I have made it an “It” that is a fixed object in my awareness. That has never helped to relieve the discomfort and usually ended up with me having to take some kind of pain killer to suppress it. Then I started playing with engaging the discomfort from a second- and first-person perspective. “Hello pain, what are you doing there?” – creating a second person relationship. Now there is a conscious connection between me and the pain, and energy and information can flow between us. Every time I just greet any discomfort in that way, I feel instant relief. What is happening? I am seeing it as part of a whole that I am a part of, acknowledging the actual interconnected nature of things – as opposed to assuming a false separation between us. When I acknowledge that relationship, the discomfort usually starts to move in some way – tightness reduces and there is relaxation. The final step is to remind myself that “I am that discomfort”, a first-person perspective that recognises the fundamental nature of reality, namely that it is all one, and all I experience is also part of me. That brings a next level of relief, and a smile to my face that radically changes how I experience the discomfort that usually then resolves itself. Note that the verb “to heal” is etymologically the same as the word “whole”. What am I doing in the above practice? I am reintegrating something that I split off into a third person by noticing that illusion, creating a relationship and making it all whole again – healing 3 to 2 to 1.

So what does that mean for the way we should be relating to all these challenges that we seem to be facing, such as accelerating climate change, the persistence of covid, and conflict around the world? Notice how often we put them into the third person object: “Stop climate change!”, “Defeat covid!”, “Resolve the conflict!”, “Stop it!”. Every time that we address an issue in that way, we fix it more into its current state. In fact, we amplify its current state by giving it energy through our objectifying attention and strengthen its boundaries through our fixed definition. All these issues have become entities due to the fact that we have given them a name and a definition. We have brought them to life and now we are charging them with our fear and anger. No wonder they have such power. Underlying the way we relate to them is a fundamental perspective of separation.

As with healing pain or discomfort in the body, we need to make what we have fragmented whole again. That means that we need to shift from the illusory objectifying third person relationship with these issues to a second- and ultimately first-person relationship – 3,2,1. The first step is to discipline ourselves to stop thinking about and describing these issues as entities that are separate from ourselves. What I notice in my own behaviour is that I then actually stop talking about them so much. Whenever an entity such as “climate change” surfaces in the news or in a conversation, I find myself first of all feeling into a relationship with it from my heart space. If someone asks my opinion about it, I find that I can no longer jump into a simple response about “it” – I have to zoom out to tell more of a story about a process, a dynamic. I find myself using more verbs than nouns. It’s not easy as our linear language doesn’t lend itself to describing reality in that way. Many of the indigenous languages use more verbs than nouns and predominantly -ing forms in the present continuous tense. Some don’t even have structure for the past and future as in their worldview everything is emerging as a process in the present moment. You’ll notice that in this experience there is no space for judgemental opinion – the reality is simply too complex and dynamic to fix something in that way.

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Let’s say then that we are managing to suspend our objectifying of an issue in the third person, what do we “do” next? Wrong question of course… In my experience we shift into being with the issue that has very little to do with our rational mind. We sense it in our body, notice its dynamics, how it moves and feels. That’s the second person relationship. We then remind ourselves that we are it – and all tension between me and the other dissolves. There is no space for fear or anger, simply wonder and playful curiosity.

Does that mean that we stop “doing anything about it”? I have to laugh at that text in quotes – just look! – “doing” “thing” “it”, all reflections of a fragmented worldview in which I am separate from the thing I am talking about. So at one level, yes, we do stop “doing anything about it”, as that is likely to create even more fragmentation. However, what does happen is that we start to be moved to action from a space of compassion, in which there is no attachment to the outcome of our actions, simply a playful curiosity to see where the journey will go next. We become more of a vehicle for something that wants to be done, rather than a separate individual who thinks up a plan to do something. It’s a very subtle but absolutely fundamental difference. We need a well-honed self-awareness to sense when our impulse for action really does come from a bigger whole and when it comes from our sense of separate self (ego).

Coming out of a couple of retreats that I recently hosted, the conclusion I drew for myself was that the way we can be most effective in the world is to firstly practice experiencing ourselves as the ground of being – that place of stillness where nothing actually happens but from which everything is born. The place of absolute oneness. Then to notice what question emerges for us – a moment of distinction between the present and the potential future, an in-tention, a creative tension. Staying at rest in the ground of being, we hold that tension with curiosity, and in that space an insight or impulse drops in, that guides us to take the next step in this relative world. We take that step, unattached to the outcome, and then sink back into the ground of being and sense what’s needed next. That’s the 1 (oneness in the ground of being), 2 (tension between poles) and 3 (manifesting some-thing). The act of manifestation is sourced from the oneness and guided by natural intelligence (or some might say “Spirit”). This I believe is how we access the natural intelligence of life, how we can be guided to act from a place of wholeness and deep relationship. Finding ways to do this is I believe the only way as humanity that we will be able to co-create a future that is aligned with the fundamental principles of life and creation. Anything else will just lead to more fragmentation and we should not be surprised if life presses the (R)Eject button. Regeneration out there means regeneration in here.

Does this mean that we need to stop using the third person completely, no more “It”? No. David Bohm made a very useful distinction between “multiplicity” and “fragmentation”. By “multiplicity” he meant the wonderful diverse expressions of life held in a perspective of their interconnectedness. The problem comes when we forget that that diversity is part of an underlying web of relationships. That is when we get “fragmentation” and perceived conflict between apparently unrelated pieces of our reality. It is still okay to use the third perspective “It”, as long as when we do we re-member that “we are It” and feel our relationship to it. In my experience, we actually stop using the third person so much, and generally stop talking “about things”. It can become quite socially awkward in moments, however as long as we are fully present with our hearts open, then connection and flow just happens – and the most surprising things can emerge out of our conversations.

If this resonates, do give it a go, and share in the comments below about your experiences and discoveries. I’m sure people would like to hear your stories – I certainly would! It’s time for us to learn a new practice.